. But it wont be easy by no means. On the other hand, though, hasn't Doctor Doom. There's a difference. Beyonder can’t catch Alison before she dies. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. "True Darkseid" or whatever you want to call him was threatening the muliverse due to the nature of his fall - not personal power. Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Adaption. Q, although claims omnipotence, was still very bound with what he could do. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. 0. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. HANDBOOK FOR POST RECTON. Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. Also no Heart Of The Universe). Fight takes place in current DC universe. We know that there are multiversals, but Pre-Retcon Beyonders kinda man handled LT from what I understood so it's kinda hard to say who would win. s The whole Kryptonian , Earth heroes, Justic League , Avengers, Teen Titan, Olympiancan Pre-Retcon Beyonder take all of those SPeople already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. His book alone has all. ago. Yeah. How you interpret that is irrelevant. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are. #17. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. May 26, 2023. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. R. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. Only way Parayla wins is of. While often portrayed as a misunderstood villain, he has also at times acted as an anti-hero. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. #8 Edited By Sungsam. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. They know that he is capable of ending them with naught but a thought, and that engenders a feeling in them they've never known- fear. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. -. Here is my sandbox: Evaluation would be very helpful. Also CAS safe stomps round 4, 7 and probably round 10 as well. Something like "Weakest DC Villain that could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder" would be fine though. Ahl God Of Superheroes 20. Indeed. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Thread starter shrike2003; Start date May 26, 2006; Who rapes whom? The Spectre, at his max, is basically GOD!!. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. When talking Beyonder, We're referring to a dude whose power level was measured as "quintillions" of times greater than everything in the multiverse combined, and laughed off a. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. #18 Edited By Kingant27. canon) Beyonder, because again: "pre-retcon. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. I mean, Beyonder is going to kill him ONCE and then Doomsday would instantly be at Beyonder's power level AND be immune to reality. #11. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. That said, outside of raw power I’d believe Lucifer could trick him or otherwise outwit him. 2 years ago. Everyone in current Marvel (except The One Above All, and Living Tribunal. That's all there is to it. Origin: Marvel Comics. 1. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. Maybe the 3rd depending on how you interpret things, and we don’t know the 4th. Man, This a huge mismatch. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. The Life-force is powerful than The Beyonder's power. Beyonder snorts him. GhostRavage. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Lucifer Morningstar (DC/Vertigo) Lucifer win because in terms of raw power beyonder win but you have to remember beyonder isnt smart at all. The fact is, Michael and Lucifer are on LT's level. 3. So even at a lower power level, Lucifer may still beat him. we have here two supreme beings, fighting in all the multiverse, and they don't care if the multiverse is destroyed or not, all they care about is toBeyonder (Pre-Retcon) runs the gauntlet. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. 1. Beyonder is the absolute strongest in comics, he has power of. let's wait and see his actual feats. Pre retcon Beyonder is not a part of Thanos's multiverse, and would thus be unaffected by the HotU. This is the power level used when referring to PR Beyonder or PR Molecule Man. Beyonder is barely multiversal, the cosmology is too. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. 33. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. But you are right about Elder God Demonbane being created just to be all powerful, Pre-Retcon Beyonder is kind of the same he was created to be TOAA of another multiverse outside of the Marvel. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. Levels of power on the forum are determined for the most part by the feats shown by the combatants. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. Phoenix Taaia 26. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. FIN7 • 5 July 2018 • User blog:FIN7. Thought Robot without any effort. I know someone think that Victor means Cosmic cube not Beyonder pre-retcon ,but I think it's Beyonder pre-retcon. I don't recall any changes in power level or powerset. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Even we accept the retcon situation you defend,thats not a obstacle for Pre Retcon Beyonder and his Supreme power. PR Beyonder curbstomps. Followers. - Fight Scenario -. Welcome to earth. and lady death is just skeleton level because she is a skeleton. PRB was TOAA before TOAA was a thing. 2. Having said this,we cannot scale and judge Pre Retcon Beyonder from what the Ivory Kings do. Well seeing how ive been told i need to tone down the Superman stuff. The result is pretty obvious. 3. 81. He is superior to LT, but to what degree is unknown. Now in terms of power levels, oh yeah, he ridiculously outscales any of themAnd the Ivory Kings are nowhere near Pre Retcon Beyonder's power level. It could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. The story is a flashback to the original Secret Wars so he had Pre-Retcon Beyonder's powers, that's the Spider-Man being used. This is the power level used when referring to PR Beyonder or PR Molecule Man. Furthermore, Mandrakk also. -. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Rune King Thor can still lose to the Abstract beings such as Eternity and Infinity due to their respective powers. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3,. so MM was infinite chain levels of infinity power leveled. Forums. He took many heroes, including. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Going by Cosmology Tiering. . The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. Tier: High 1-B | At least High 1-B | High 1-A | High 1-A. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Marvel has it's entire cosmology absolutely filthy with things with a canonical power level of "infinite". He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. It’s hard to grasp at this level, but I believe the Beyonder has far greater on screen feats, such as his battle with Molecule Man. Basanos who are nothing more than a mimcry of Destiny's book could see and create infinite possibilities just to kill Lucifer. Prepare for. when people talk about pre-retcon marvel like pre-retcon beyonder or pre-retcon molecule man what storyline was the retcon. Pre-Retcon Molecule man can't stop, and even scratch Pre-retcon Beyonder. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. #28 ovy7. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. Pre retcon Beyonder is not a part of Thanos's multiverse, and would thus be unaffected by. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. 1 Answer Sorted by: 9 There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 2. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can resurrect the Dead and can give whoever Power they never once had. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. Otherwise there is. 2. In Avengers Beyond #1, the Beyonder race was revealed to be created by Cal-Horra (clarified to be a creation of the Celestials in issues #4 – 5) and their power originated. 7 years ago. Manhattan is super strong. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Cubey. :The mage can't use any scrying abilitys between the fights to study his opponents except against the Doctor. Add a Comment. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. Hajun via feats and implied power. 2. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. Beyonder is 1,000,000-2,000,000 times more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Multiverse based on the On-Panel direct estimate. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. I forget her name. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his. Yes, Fu is at least in Hyperversal, he could be put higher in the arcade and games, but the minimum is Hyperversal, although I don't know why it has been put as in three threads Beyonder vs Fu, Fu is not even close to the levels higher than DB, it is a medium high level at best In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. 3 years ago deactivated-5f5be9e305dddThe Beyonder represents a power beyond all of them. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Beyonder can create and destroy multiverse just by thiniking. Shaper of Worlds and every other variation of the Cosmic Cubes are consistently stated in handbooks to have that level of power. #11. Even The. #14. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they. May 26, 2023. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. No one. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7 days ago. Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. Super Power Score and Level. greater Wheel which is in tur the lowest level of an "telescope stretching all the way back to the eye of the Anui-El, with padomaics innumerable among its infinite walls",. K. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. New Comics. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. By the way what is Hajun's power i mean kkk is has no official English translation and baste on what i know from all the translated content his basically Lung from worm and can escalate his power with the. 0. show 3 replies . 2. Bat Manhattan has all his current power as of the last issue from DC Comics. Just because it's the pre-retcon Beyonder, it doesn't mean his opponents are at the power level they were in pre-retcon days. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 20. Super Power Score and Level. 7: Old Lord Thanos. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Just checked, you're right, my bad. Beyonder was affecting the entire Marvel multiverse or omniverse, or something like that, all at once. Doom did. Forum Posts. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Depends on if he means pre retcon beyonder or the cosmic cube beyonder. 8 years ago. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. Power Grid [27] Intelligence @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. At this power level he was still able to affect things across the universe, across dimension, and across time, which I think puts him far above Sentry. I really can't be asked to go. 11. New Comics. They don’t have a weak point in their past to travel to. The answer is stupidly powerful, note the reason why he was retconed . That concludes beyonder feats now what I conclude from this is:-. Pre Retcon Beyonder coming to Marvel Multiverse due to curiosity is also a karma. Victory by permanent death or erasure. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. 8 years ago. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. Been done here on the vine. ] Moon Buster Tier: Able to destroy or move the moon [E. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. Molecule Man can battle Beyonder. 0. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. This is Post Retcon Beyonder. 1. Master-Tee • 2 yr. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. I think he wins this. #18 Edited By Kingant27. With this said, Secret wars 2 did but all that massively multiversal mumbo-jumbo and Living Tribunal being less than a. #1. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. and also white phoenix cant beat toaa but im sure she can eaither salemate prerecton beyonder r at least beat him through. Follow 41274. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. Even The. But, that was in regard to a. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. 3. Beyonder's every retcon was stated to be this strong , no matter which one you are referring to. New posts. Beyonder at first during SW2 didnt even have a concept of life or death for a while and was even manipulated by normal people, by the end of SW2 he was more knowledgeable but to the basic comrepehension of stuff, Lucy on the other hand is one of the most cunning people in DC and with his power combined he should think of a way to beat PRB other. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. So by this admission, he described Beyonder. -Everything in bleach. Thanks for that. The. The Darkest Knight (Man who laughs) vs The Beyonder. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. Jul 30, 2018. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. Business, Economics, and Finance. Beyonder is kicked away. And he loses. cweaver • 7 yr. Metaphysical power sets, hax (Well, can consider both the same if you want, since Gilgamesh's hax adheres to metaphysical power sets) Beyonder has simply no resistence against, surperior cosmology. 5 years ago. Pre-retcon Molecule Man. 0. Sep 20, 2018. Hungry-Ad9779 • 7 mo. Black Celestial Galactus (not sure). R2: God stomps. When super-amped Doom battled the Beyonder he got stomped hard. Yeah true. He has the best battle feats, taking on the Celestials, the Molecule Man. #13 AgentofChaos1. Lucifer Morningstar (with the Demiurgic Dunamis): Lucifer Morningstar traveling to Marvel multiverse towards know more about it and just traveling to events of. The Beyonder might be incredibly powerful (especially in his pre retcon state), but power means nothing to something which predates and transcends things like power, life,. Withstanding attacks that can atomize dimensions is a pretty crazy feat. @sungsam: Current Molecule Man has the power of the beyonders so he is supposed to be more powerful than pre retconned moleculeman who is around the same level as pre retconned beyonder. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. That's all there is to it. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. #1 Omega48. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. VS. Wiki Points. Thank you. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. CryptoI would think that a Level 100 character would be something like the pre-retcon version of The Beyonder from Marvel Comics. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . . The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. All of the sudden Deku gets a power up and You Say Run starts playing. " So, name someone. The beyonder = The One above all. Additional comment actions. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: On the opposite side of that spectrum, is the Beyonder. He is. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. Manhattan's league. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. Beyonder 16. Follow 379. SCP 3812 will just blink Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence easily. not all are the same power level. He is his total opposite and equal in power. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Femto would oneshot 100% of Marvel not even Pre-Retcon Beyonder can stop this monster, you have to be as powerful as Lucifer Morningstar to have a chance of fighting Femto but even then i would. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. 9. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. on. He actually eradicated Death, and was not bound by any rules, anything really, with his power. He is the central antagonist of the Battleworld arc in Season 4: Secret Wars. Even MM said Beyonder was well beyond him In that fight even with half his power. That is PRE-retcon Beyonder. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Nejfelt • 2 yr. Beyonder Pre-Retcon was a REALM. She/Her. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. 5. RRPanther • 7 mo. Beyonder is 1,000,000-2,000,000 times more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Multiverse based on the On-Panel direct estimate. Poll Scathan The Approver vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (84 votes) Scathan 26%. Mutant Inhuman Beyonder. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. VS. ago. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). So I might be missing something. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". That was the whole point of "Secret Wars II. just solved the Dazzler half of. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. Battle. High Hyperverse level (The Beyonder is an infinite dimensional being. ImKindaANiceGuy • 3 yr. Iirc PRB was hit by an attack from Molecule Man that could've destroyed billions of dimensions or something and was nigh-omnipresent and nigh-omnipotent.